TTAG writerJeremy S. apparently had a non-awful experience with a CA380. It works great if all it does is sit in your pocket. It had some issues ejecting, but a trip to the factory corrected the issues. Its not. TTAG has some of the worst reviewers in history. Yes it did. I like the concept at least. A number of guns you have to shoot 400 rounds or so to exercise the gun so it will never jam as long as it is cleaned and oiled. Definitelythe first Gen 1 models had problemsHowever, the second Gen 2 models are fine. Combined with the teflon-like nickle finish and the worlds stiffest recoil spring, its almost impossible to rack. I really wanted to like the gun. And I will do my best to talk others out of Kahr products. 6. A lot of those people who diss these guns are those that run hollowpoints or high pressure rounds. Ruger listened to the criticism, which resulted in the birth of the LCP II. (1) Astroturfing happens, both ways. Since I dont know whether or not your going to use it for EDC, I will recommend one full size and one small one which i think are the 2 best IMO. Sorry, with all due respect to Mr Henson, I wish you the best of luck, and while I see how this might help some buyers sort from the thousands of gun models, its only a start. The SCCY model CPX-2 is a fine lightweight pistol that shoots a stopper round 9mm. SCCY CPX-2 is a very good gun. Theres room for disagreement, but probably only because some peoples pockets are bigger and can hold bigger guns. I own a hp380. Remarkable build quality. No problems what so ever. I have not had to use them as my SCCY has functioned perfectly so far. Lets find out by comparing it to the original LCP. The CM9 is a great gun. But with the right technique and practice, its fine. I cant count on my DB380 to run consistently, so I had to give it a low rating. The SCCY has one of the best rating out of these guns on your post. 5 Best 380 Pistols for Concealed Carry in 2022 - Gun News http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-beauty1.jpg It has the stopping power necessary to approach a threat, while still maintaining the size required for comfortable everyday carry. I love mine(CPX 2,no safety) Best carry gun for your dollar bar none. Expand your opinion to something legitimate and/or constructive with first hand knowledge. It is about 99% reliable, however, which is good enough to carry. The thing is about Cobras, hi points that people that call them junk have never actually researched the gun. I dont know if I should believe anything guns3x has to say, he is clearly insane. The movie Gigli had the worst, lowest rating ever on IMDB, voted on by tens of thousands of people. LMFAO!!!! Any kind of ammo. WebThe .380 Auto (ACP) Pistol is most often used for self-defense, and is a particularly good choice for concealed carry thanks to its small size. In this review, we will cover the disadvantages of the .380 pistol that the LCP II sought to remedy, what makes the LCP II an improvement over the original LCP, and the uses for and specifications of the LCP II. Ruger markets the trigger as having a six pound pull. Also LCP. I recommend them to people all the time, but I do caution that, as is to be expected with a DAO, the trigger is long. Nonetheless, the fact that they are difficult to shoot can be a major problem for training and self-defense purposes. .380 Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP) This ammunition round was first introduced by Colt back in 1908, to use in its new Colt Model 1908, which was a compact, hammerless semi-automatic pistol. For those of you looking specifically for a concealed carry pistol, hold off on buying a Glock just yet. Can't argue with Sig, but I'd also add Beretta to that list, both the Oh well the TCP I had isnt top 5-it ran good for me. Last but not least, and while this is entirely personal preference, many regard .380 autos as having poor ergonomics due to the fact that their extraordinarily small size means you cant get a full grip on them. A recoil spring system that not only sucks, but lends the thing to have constant and regular jams and FTF and FTEs. You have not spoken to anyone that has something positive to say about the Pico? I own expensive pistols and revolvers, as well as a SCCY CPX-2. In contrast to this, the original LCP did not lock back on the final round. Nemesis pocket holster, and 1 spare mag, goes everyehere. We buy a pocket gun for last-ditch self defense, which literally makes it a do-or-die gun. I will say they like Ruger and a few other vendors copied Kel-Tec once again as this thing look like a P11. Ive had one for 5 years with no more problems than a Kel-tech 380, and Ruger LCP I compared side by side at the range. WebSome derringers, like the Bond Arms derringers, are brilliantly crafted guns. Getting the trigger on the safety notch is something you should never goof around with. Could not disagree more with the articles 3rd selection, namely, the SCCY Industries CPX-2 (not to be confused with its predecessor which had issues of which were acknowledged by the company and subsequently corrected). Hi points work if you use FMJ and clean and oil the gun. As a back-up weapon to a larger pistol, the LCP II would also be a great choice as it has a very similar manual of arms to larger pistols such as Glocks while also being small enough to easily conceal carry as we have just seen. I dont know the story behind why but we can only guess. Im glad it ended well, but if he hadnt scored a first round hit he would have been screwed for real. SIG P238 Why Use a .380 Pistol? In fact, reading them, even with comments, is quite nearly a waste of time. What a joke. And probably never fired one. Yet one more advantage for the LCP II is the fact that the slide locks back on the final round fired to signal you are empty. The problem with the group wisdom line of thinking is that you cannot separate the people with actual hands on experience with the firearm in question from actual users, which is always a problem with new guns. Stovepiped and double fed left and right, and Kel-Tec didnt want to lift a finger without me footing the bill for shipping. Yes, the LCP II is still a .380 pocket pistol and as a result is still snappy. Yes, Im sure theyre out there, but the odds youll score one of those unicorns remain low. The SCCY is even rated for +P ammo, in modest doses, according to the company. Just like Fords. Unlike several riflesOh wait I might get a 22mag but not for big money. Bersa Thunder 5. I have heard the PiCO may be TOO small. I have several friends who own Picos and swear by them. The grip is also slightly enlarged in order to get a better grip, with an improved stippling job as well to better accommodate wet or slippery conditions. I would think a pocket gun would be best kept in .380 or 9mm. People cant make crap up in their comments? The Sccy gets a 4.3 rating and it stinks? Recently we exchanged and shot each others weapon, I have a Taurus LCP 380. There are many different 380 pistol options, but our favorites include the following: Ruger LCP II, Walther PK380, Kel-tec P3AT, Taurus Spectrum, and M&P Shield EZ. Which is good compared to many overpriced semi auto pistols which are not as dependable. You can get these on line at times for (Though they have better triggers than the early LCPs, thats not enough), You should try mine. Stainless steel through out the gun. To quote his expertise is laughable. I have literally spoken to no one that has said anything positive about the Pico. With pocket pistols you get so much more in terms of everything for every little uptick in size you go. ! Silver tip p+ for carry, or whatever local law enforcement carries. I fell for the Pico hype. Ive been fortunate enough to be able to shoot a big variety of different .380s. The best one, so far, that I have shot with the least amount of re I love the Pico. The design was intended to produce more accuracy while only sacrificing marginal power. SRP: $269. It is my bicycle gun. That being said, the LCP II can also be carried IWB or in an ankle holster just as easily as it could be carried in a pocket. 4) Beretta Pico(4.1 stars 0.3, 134 votes), Color me shockedto see the Pico down here with the bottom feeders because Beretta is a major manufacturer that produces lots of quality firearms. I experienced none of that with my p3at but it was entertaining to read. The sccy is a great budget pistol. Its is almost universally panned from young guys working behind the counter at Academy Sports to anyone who works in local gun shops. I trust my Hellcat 380 as much as I do my S & W 39, but I prefer a tight revolver over any semi-auto when my life depends on it. The LCP isnt that bad. The LCP II also features forward and rear serrations on the slide, whereas the original LCP only featured serrations on the rear. Did you give them Cyrillic numbers to rate with? No thanks. The DB380 is a cheap subcompact 380 pocket pistol. I have a KAHR CM40 and a CW40 and for their intended purpose they are great. Well, youre in luck, because your fellow Americans have voted, and for some pocket guns, the results arent pretty . Booth #72617 Cabot Guns Heck, the CM40s steel-framed brother, the MK40, is currently ranked in the top 5 (granted, with only 10 votes so far). I. Try the Sig P938 If you are truly carrying for protection you dont mind the Sig Price if your life is on the line and the P938 shoots like a minature 1911 Love mine and have had several friends buy them after shooting my P938 SAS. The first generation CPX-1s had some problems and gave the company a bad rep starting out, but the company was so adamant that they fixed their second Gen guns that you can send any of the old ones back (they shipped in red boxes) and they will replace them with brand new Gen 2s (which ship in blackish gray boxes). One of the finest pocket guns out there. Actually the Hellcat felt better in the hand and was more accurate for me with a better sight than other micro pistols. Simple, easy and the Beretta Pico is in fact one of the most mild shooting Pocket Pistols out there. Each of these guns has a lightweight, compact design making them ideal for concealed carry. Extremely Mild, Plus P rated, Modular design, mags that look like Custom 1911 stainless steel. But do not tell me the Kahr is a better gun. yes the Masss might love them, but who the hell are the masses? Ive never seen one that ran well or was anything but unpleasant to shoot, provided you can get more than one round off without a misfeed. And what sucks is I held off buying a 380 cause I really thought the Pico would be great. Far better than any of the others gun you talk about on this rag of a story. To each his own . In 2017, SIG Sauer produced a unicorn of a pistol in the P365. Funny mine have always worked. All semi auto weapons will jam at one time or another, and dont feel the same in everyones hand.. The very concealable gun has a barrel length of only 2.5 inches. How many times are there accidental discharges from soft triggers? And I especially enjoy its clever name. Id limit my search to guns rated north of 6.0 on my surveyand Id stay far away from the below-average offerings from Jimenez, Boberg, NAA, MasterPiece, etc. It is not a pleasant gun to shoot, but a helluva lot worse on the receiving end. Mine also runs well, and they feel really well made. Bottom line, a lifetime warranty isnt worth squat if they cant fix the problem and their only answer is to blame the customer. An odd shaped frame that in my opinion they actually went too small on trying to outdo everyone to be the king of small in 380s. It is accurate, easy to shoot, recoil is manageable. If you actually carry a gun in your pocket, even in a pocket holster, its gonna get dirty. You need to learn more about handguns before posting such nonsense. I bought a SCCY CPX-2 a few months ago . If there is what looks like an empty hole its uncocked. TTAG is the Roseanne Barr of reviews. Apparently their readership likes Sigs with large sample sizes. So far wevecollected roughly 34,000 votes with an average rating of 6.1 overall. Learn to shoot pocket guns and find the truth yourself and stop listening to counter Clerks at big Box stores. I know I hated my PF9 and would NEVER EVER buy any Keltec pistol again. The sccy is very similar. I got a Glock26, and have been happy ever since! Im generally a fan of .40, though it does have a bit of a signature snap. The double 1911 also has ratings. And than some. My son made sure I carried a SW9VE for daily use. Nice little write up- and way to plug your site. That said, I have never tried to pocket-carry one so Im not voting on it in terms of that specific criteria. The gun works incredibly well if you use the recommend FMJ ammo as listed in the manual. This crowdsourced data points arent perfect, but if a product gets a statistically significant number of votes, we get a pretty good idea of how it stacks up thanks to the wisdom-of-crowds phenomenon. It came back still not fixed. Sure just Also people need to fire them at the range. I just cant see myself ever paying for a gun called SuCCY! Or had a bad exp. No problem for me but then I have fired well over 100,000 rounds in 50 years. Im guessing a .40 S&W round is just too unpleasant to shoot in this uber lightweight polymer-framed pocket gun. Ruger has proven that you dont need to have an arduous and gritty trigger pull on a .380 auto and its likely that more manufacturers will now follow their lead. But for a handgun of last resort, I prefer an Airweight. Its tight, even well after break-in. In other words, its not pleasant to shot at all. Whatever-everything else pops inand their FB page is odd too. The CM40 being smaller and lighter might exhibit a little more, but its not unmanageable. Web.380 Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP) was one of the many calibers created by legendary firearms designer John Browning, dating back to 1908. I was glad not to see Kel Tac on the bottom list. I am surprised high point 380 & 9mm werent included in your list. I called the factory and was accused of limp wristing. You should consider using a Bayesian average for this situation. I just went through your site and clicked a one star on every gun over $500 and a 10 star on every gun under $500 with my only basis being I dont currently have an expendable $500 in my pocket and I dont like them because they are out of my budget Just kidding, I didnt, but anyone out there could do it, which is why I think your system is incredibly flawed by not at least holding reviewers to having to list a reason. You mean like the crowd of voters that put Obama in office twice. Ive heard more than a handful of DEALERS who rate it a much better overall weapon than the KelTec which it resembles, and the machining does appear superior in my estimation. Also cobra has a lifetime warranty on their guns if you do the warranty. Every gun has its limitations and knowledge goes a long way to ensure a positive outcome when it happens. They were remarkably accurate and soft-shooting, too. Think he went through that with customer service Ill give ya the mag though. All of this list (for the most part) are price point guns and no, you will not get HK quality for $200, but this list is about as fanboy as anything I have ever seen on here. SCCY Industries CPX-2 (4.3 stars 0.4, 99 votes) This gun is budget-friendly Super gun, works every time. You do not get a small light pistol without trade offs. CPX 2. Its very much a personal decision then, based on fit, function, and how well it shoots. I would love to meet you and show you what your are NOT talking about. Anyway, all just my opinion here. I carry the SCCY more often and have cycled quite a few rounds through it. Women need to be told about the woman in Birmingham who was being robbed and pulled out a gun. Anything In the Ring of Fire Family. check the ammo?? Never jammed on me or on my daughter who went to the range with me. IMHO it packs a great punch for a pistol that slips away in my pocket. I have to disagree about the SCCY CPX-2. All guns I would have avoided anyway, except the Pico. The Ruger LCP II, released by Ruger at the end of 2016, sought to remedy many of those downsides. Oh wow I finally got their awful website to workP3at is #1! The trigger pull on most .380 autos is exceptionally long and gritty. Tiny, safety features, serious calibers, etc. The Hellcat II was cheap when purchased new, and you can find one used for around $100. YES, of course Id rate the G19 at least from a practical, hardcore perspective an obviously more robust, serious combat-capable CC piece, but when you think about it, here I am comparing a Glock 19 to a SCCY CPX-2 for certain situations and that HAS to be a compliment to the SCCY, in an offhand way (and dont accuse me of being a Glock fanboy I own diverse alternatives, and was actually very slow by choice getting into the Glock game.) The Pico is one of the most mild shooting pocket guns you will ever shoot. The S&W MP EZ 380 read the reviews even on the Glock site they praise the SW MP 380 EZ My Kahr is a nice but, but Finicky as heck. You do not have one clue about what you are talking about. Too small, too weak, too much plastic. Not sure why the Sccy is on this list, I own a cpx2 and its great! Im about to order some more. Obvious, one writers bias, trying to get internet rookies to bash guns most have never shot nor even understand. WebMAC Website & PrimaryArms website link: http://www.militaryarms.orgJoin Patreon and support MAC! Here are some basic facts for the Ruger LCP II: In conclusion, the Ruger LCP II simply represents the beginning of the evolution of the .380 pocket pistol. Mild. Sean, I cannot find documentation of John Lott having bought reviews on Amazon. Recoil was worse on the 380 than the 9. On the plus side, the SCCY has a lighter trigger than the Kel-Tec P11 (which may explain the problem), but the P11 always goes bang. Of all the firearm purchases you may make in your lifetime, a pocket gun is probably the one you can least afford to screw up. Wecantdislike shooting it so much that well never practice with it. My advice. Ruger LCP II .380 ($349) Surprised the Remington R51 didnt make this list. Thanks for your post. So there. For its purpose, NOT Bullseye competition, it is a fine gun. We saw your review and write up. I have two of the Picos. Their customer service is great and my pistol has run 100% since I bought it with multiples of hundreds of rounds through it. BATTLE OF THE RUGER .380S: LCP VS. LCP II. The CPX-3 and CPX-4 is now available in 380 with less recoil. Why Beretta didnt copy the ergonomics on that is a mystery to me. Glock 42 4. They fall apart with any kink of volume down range. But I have no interest in any Keltec pistol-unlike several rifles. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. You must not even be able to read. Sure you can spend $500 on a Glock or what ever else you want to list but the specs on this gun make it a easy choice and hell I can buy two for the price of most good guns. Voted by handgun magazine as a top pistol and great manufacturer. Got over 1000 rounds through it, and no problems. Otherwise, their opinion may mean nothing. The CW380 sucks. Hey, look Because they unreasonably expected to consistently hit a bullseye at 50 yards with a pocket pistol? I have thousands of rounds through both and they keep on trucking One gun has 5000 rounds with just one failure with all kinds of ammo and that was a bad primer strike, which by the way the Pico has double strike capability which took care of that. Yea James, if you look the SCCY gets like 4.3 stars the best out of this bunch and has the one of the higest vote stats and whats the comment from the author oh this gun stinks based on what? My shooting buddy has an LCP. No aluminum. Id trust actual reviewers over internet voters. Pick up a Taurus 738 tcp and it is super snappy vs the cw380. Thats when I could get them to respond to my emails, that is. My dad bought a CPX-whichever has the safety about a month ago; Ill have to ask him what he thinks of it next time we talk. Funny the SCCY was rated on 2 other surveys as one of the top 5 affordable and reliable pocket guns. Ruger LCP II 3. That could happen with any gun someone didnt ,maintain and hadnt tested out at the range. 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